Heartbeat, Heartbreak - Shihoko Hirata
this has been stuck in my head since P4 came out and i haven’t even played P4
now i got P4A and I know where it’s from XD
When young women are sexually assaulted, we question their pasts and critique their clothing choices, yet rarely ask their attackers to simply be accountable for having no self-control, and no respect for the humanity of the girls they’ve violated.
When middle school girls post half–naked photos of themselves on Instagram, we vilify and ostracize them as cheap and easy, while ignoring the dozens of young men who mindlessly vote their approval each time, who feed the insecurity, and who perpetuate each degrading act with the click of a mouse.
When high school girls get jobs at chain restaurants, which require them to expose their body parts to strangers over trays of nachos, we bemoan their lack of humility and class, yet never question the thousands of men who fill these eateries every day; many with daughters the same age as the ones they ogle.
When women embarrassingly writhe on poles for a few sweaty dollar bills, in dimly lit bars ironically called “Gentlemen’s Clubs”, we heap insults and judgement on them, yet let the many married men who pay both the dancers and the mortgage each month, come and go without blemish or critique.
Sooner or later, we need to stop letting boys be boys, and we need to challenge them to be men.
Sooner or later, we need to pull them out of their perpetual adolescence and into adulthood, and ask them to evenly carry the weight of sexual standards.
Sooner or later, we need to show our young men that the they can actually raise the moral temperature in sexual situations, not reflect them."
Okay, first paragraph, makes sense. Rest of this shit, nope:
The girl chose to post a half-naked picture. AND MEN SHOWED THEIR APPROVAL!??!?! HOW THE FUCK DARE THEY EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS?! If she doesn’t want men to ‘feed insecurity and perpetuate the act,’ MAYBE THINK ABOUT YOUR ACTIONS BEFORE DOING THEM, AND MAYBE CONSIDER NOT DOING THEM? ‘BUT SOCIETY, THEY WERE EXPECTED/COERCED/BULLSHITTTT’ No one is FORCED to do anything, it is your choice, whether it is a poor one or not. Society may have influenced you, but at the end of the day, you still made that choice to post that photo, and should be held accountable for it.
The fuck are you talking about requiring them to expose body parts? You mean the dress code? Yeah, it’s a bit skimpy sometimes. Guess the fuck what: you don’t have to work there. BUT, ECONOMY IS BAD, WELP. Which is more important to you, money, or your morals? LIFE SUCKS, GET USED TO IT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE COMPROMISES. Y’know why that place has those outfits? BECAUSE IT SELLS. BUSINESSES ARE HERE TO MAKE MONEY, NOT KEEP PEOPLE’S FEELINGS PERFECTLY CONTENT. DON’T AGREE WITH IT? DON’T WORK THERE, DON’T SHOP THERE. YOU VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLAR. What part of this is so fucking hard to understand? For the ‘BUT I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICES, I NEED THE MONEY’ arguement: again, which is more important, your money or your morals? Why the fuck should a successful business change it’s model because YOU are offended?
I challenge anyone to counter my arguements with something other than ‘UGH, HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT, SHUT UP.’ Because fuck, I’m tired of people just doing that and expecting me to go ‘OH, YOU’RE RIGHT, HOW COULD I’, instead of attempting to educate me why I’m wrong. I can admit I’m wrong, but bring some fucking evidence to the table.
first paragraph you agree w/, this is important
second paragraph, there’a an argument for the sentiment you’re arguing against (sexting/repercussions) but there’s the argument THEY’RE making, which is also about the whole middle school thing. The amount of self-control/awareness of the repercussions of your actions you’re expecting from this middle school (or even high school) girl are ridiculous especially when you consider there is no similar societal pitfall for men (except maybe coming out the closet, god our society is fucked up). Middle school girls are encouraged from every male peer they have to show their body, not to mention the media (which has a pretty fucked up not scantily clad to scantily clad ratio compared to men)
it’s important to note that once those pictures are out, they’re out. there is NO going back at ALL whatsoever. whether or not this fucks up your entire life depends on how obsessed the anons on the internet decide to get over you. That’s a HUGE repercussion for a decision you’re being literally pressured into by every male that you know p much. I mean c’mon we’ve hung out with ourselves and people, that’s how it is, follow the focus of conversation and see how many times a single woman is brought into a conversation w/ men and it ISN’T about her body/sexuality. At some level, probably subconscious to most, we’re are telling them they get our attention and love from sexuality/nudity/skimpy ness or w/e.
then we have celebrity culture, fashion in general, media in general. EVERYTHING involving women in american (and prolly in most countries) in their life has some hidden message of sexy = attention, nonsexy = boring loser.
so 1) this is more than just “society influenced you,” expecting a middle school girl to not sext or at least think of sexuality/being sexual is on the order of expecting boys not to think robots/action in general is cool. this isn’t an influence by society, it’s indoctrination, it’s closer to subliminal messaging and brainwashing.
2) the degree to which this is going to affect her life depends literally on how shitty the people around her are. the societal backlash from a naked picture of a woman is RIDICULOUS. i’m not JUST talking about people gonna call her a slut (remember, most of these were sent to sig others for their eyes only, they usually only get out when they breakup), if she’s really hot (angie verona, look her up, read her story) she’s gonna get stalked online (anonib, 4chan, etc.) hate mailed, and followed. I’m sorry, it’s obvious which group of people are pieces of shit, from an objective standpoint. also wtf, she’s naked big deal, GOD FORBID people see her the way she was born and the way she is without fabric. sadly no this means she could lose prospects for employment, and anyone who recognizes her will taint her relationship with them (no matter how insignificant) not to mention the many other ways we could think of that this would fuck up her life.
it’s not really the issue, trust me, these women ARE working the sleazy jobs and doing shit they hate to make ends meet, despite their morals because they have to. it’s not even morals, its the fucked up submissive state women are put in by default everywhere. and no one is arguing against making compromises in a bad economy. but think about it objectively, what are the shitty choices WE have to make when the economy is bad? we sure don’t have to put up w/ ass slapping, coerced sex to keep our job, and being and feeling exposed constantly. (you realize that there’s NO reason for a womans butt to just be out there in the open, while we get to wear pants and shit, right?) it’s just there to please men, everything about the hooters/strip club/p much anything that HAS a uniform for females specifically is painfully, obviously, pathetically made to pander to men. It sells, but why, because like women are brainwashed to believe all the bullshit they do, we have been brainwashed to treat women like that, or in your case, just the part where you don’t realize that shit is horrendously unbalanced that way.
so to stress these:
- they do choose the money over their dignity, that’s why you see them working there
- think about shitty things girls have to do to make money compared to men, couple that w/ the fact that women in general just as a HARD part of the paperwork make less money than men, you can see that there’s more at play than,” it’s a shitty economy, do what sells” it’s “why is what sells as a woman her dignity and (honestly) her safety and privacy”. like, there’s not a giant male stripper/prostitute/skimpy outfit restaurant chain, the problem is not money or the economy. society doesn’t lean to make men vulnerable and dependant on women, it only does it the other way around.
okay so TL;DR (but really read it just in case)
1) middle school is too young to think about things that’ll fuck you over forever, and there’s no equivalent thing for boys as “sending a naked pic to my bf and we broke up so now it’s all over the internet”
it’s a small mistake, big/infinite repercussions. guys don’t have that trap growing up, there’s nothing that all of our peers (esp the opposite sex) wants from us, pressure us to do, that society pushes on us in every form of media and interaction that if we do, we fuck up our lives forever. not even close.
2) these aren’t her middle school friends drooling over this, these are MEN adult men, fucking up a middle schoolers life, why don’t we look at THAT fucked up part
3) there’s nothing objectively messed up w/ having/sending a naked picture of your body anyway, it’s the society and it’s double standard of “GOTTA BE SEXY OR YOU’RE LITERALLY NO ONE” and “OMG YOU SLUT YOU SHOULD’VE KNOWN” at age 13-18, like it’s lose-lose and we put them there
4) Society IS tilted extremely toward women being sexual (as defined by men) and submissive/subservient. waitresses (traditionally), maids, secretaries etc. what are the outfits? what is the job? these used to be female only positions and until just recently really. it’s clear to see the objective was to pigeon hole them into this role of second class citizen basically (with an extra chance of mental disorders because they’re told it’s normal and they have to deal with the humiliation/degradation of what their position is in life. and it’s fucked up no matter where (women’s wage/the dress code of society) but depending on where you are it can be REALLY fucked up and we live in FL where that kinda happens) like this is like being black/born poor: there’s ways out, sure, just gotta be near the literal smartest/best in your area (and by a huge enough margin that you convince the people that are oppressing you)
it’d be a lot easier for all of us men to understand this if we had to get reborn and live the life of a female in this literally male dominated society and came back to ourselves, but we can’t so the best thing you can do is take the fact that you don’t have this perspective and consider that HEAVILY before talking about something that is sensitive/dependent on perspective like this
about the first paragraph, apply the thought you used there to recognize the blame should fall on the attackers of these women, and realize how that is how you should be thinking about the people who made the society that screws women over from the beginning (like in every way, physically (okay that’s partially bad luck, mentally (they gotta deal with all that shit), and societally/economically (yea they’re fucked))
long story short, life’s harder for them in specifically fucked up ways, pay attention